I have a question

[cleopatra]

What is the difference between a front-loaded wheel and a balanced wheel? I think I understand what a balanced wheel is, but I do not know what a front-loaded wheel is. I saw the terms used at lotto-logix's wheelhouse, but they don't explain what a front-loaded wheel is.

Also, I am curious about the opinions of the forum about wheeling versus random numbers.

I saw a site by Ion Saliu (hope I spelled his/her name right) and he/she concluded that randon numbers give you a better shot at the big prizes.

I understand that wheeling can give you smaller wins here and there and are better for your budget, but winning these $10 prizes don't help my budget too much.

Do random numbers give you a better shot at the big prize(s) or does it all work out the same? My gut feeling is that it all evens out, but I would appreciate some feedback from the forum as there seems to be some very knowledgable lotto players here.

If these two topics have been discussed, I apologize for asking again and a link to the topic(s) would be appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[hot4]

As there are some different ways to get "random numbers", please tell us how do you get random numbers.

Perhaps the answer to your question, is inside the way you get them.

 

[Adfy]

What is the difference between a front-loaded wheel and a balanced wheel? I think I understand what a balanced wheel is, but I do not know what a front-loaded wheel is. I saw the terms used at lotto-logix's wheelhouse, but they don't explain what a front-loaded wheel is.

Also, I am curious about the opinions of the forum about wheeling versus random numbers.

I saw a site by Ion Saliu (hope I spelled his/her name right) and he/she concluded that randon numbers give you a better shot at the big prizes.

I understand that wheeling can give you smaller wins here and there and are better for your budget, but winning these $10 prizes don't help my budget too much.

Do random numbers give you a better shot at the big prize(s) or does it all work out the same? My gut feeling is that it all evens out, but I would appreciate some feedback from the forum as there seems to be some very knowledgable lotto players here.

If these two topics have been discussed, I apologize for asking again and a link to the topic(s) would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Hiya Cleo... IMO the front loaded wheel means that if you insert the first few numbers with a winning numbers... you'll have a greater chance of having a winning play set. I think I did read somewhere there about front loaded wheel.

 

[Karnac]

What is the difference between a front-loaded wheel and a balanced wheel?
Thank you.

Hi Cleopatra

You may find what you need here....some great articles regarding wheeling .
http://www.lotto-logix.com/lotteryarticles.html

 

[peter]

That link also has an excellent article by Robert Perkis on frequency distribution, (hot & cold) numbers, a worthwhile read.
Thxs for the link Karnac.

 

[Karnac]

That link also has an excellent article by Robert Perkis on frequency distribution, (hot & cold) numbers, a worthwhile read.
Thxs for the link Karnac.

You are most welcome.

 

[cleopatra]

As there are some different ways to get "random numbers", please tell us how do you get random numbers.

Perhaps the answer to your question, is inside the way you get them.

Picking, say 48 numbers - and playing them on 8 cards versus a 12 number wheel. I read at Ion Saliu's site that wheels do good for small wins, but poorer for big wins.

*shrugs*

 

[cleopatra]

Re: Re: I have a question

Hi Cleopatra

You may find what you need here....some great articles regarding wheeling .
http://www.lotto-logix.com/lotteryarticles.html

Thanks for the link. I read all their articles and they were helpful. They claim that there is no difference - in the long run - between wheeling and playing all the numbers (random).

I was just curious if anyone here agreed with Ion Saliu, who claims that random numbers pays off bigger prizes versus wheeling a few numbers.

Thanks for all the help.

 

[cleopatra]

Re: Re: I have a question

Hiya Cleo... IMO the front loaded wheel means that if you insert the first few numbers with a winning numbers... you'll have a greater chance of having a winning play set. I think I did read somewhere there about front loaded wheel.

Thanks Adfy.

 

[Godload]

I think front loaded means numbers placed near the begining appear more times than numbers further down to the end. Balance i think suggests all numbers appear and equal number of times.

In terms of random numbers giving you a better shot at winning the jackpot, it all depends on your budget and how many numbers you wheel. Say you wheel 49 numbers in 649, you have all the numbers in your set but playing all the numbers to get them in one line is very expensive.

The trick to winning the jackpot is picking the numbers and placement in the wheel. You can concievably have 6 numbers out of a group of 18, but not win the jackpot or even get 5/6. To hit the 6 numbers out of 18 on a limited budget requires luck even since one does not know absolutely if a given group of numbers will have the magic combination.

In my personal opinion, wheeling is best when you use less numbers because you have to worry about placement less. Wheeling a smaller group of numbers or the use of power or designated numbers allows the wheel to do the work for you in essence and reduces the luck factor somewhat.

But its all moot if one does not pick the drawn numbers in the group of numbers wheeled.

 

[trilby]

My understanding of front loaded means for your wheel the first line might read 1 2 3 4 5 6 for the pilot numbers. If you then enter your number set which may be say 15 numbers but locate your hottest numbers in the 15 at locations 1 2 3 4 5 6 then your wheel at line 1 carries your best prediction.

Wheels simply offer the best exposure to a prize result for a selected group of numbers because they have a structure about them. The same numbers used in a random manner has no structure other than its randomness. Wheeling systems have primairily been about minimising the number of lines in the wheel for the guaranteed exposure, however there are some rather more powerful wheeling generators coming into play now where the wheels generated not only qualify for minimum lines but also can specify coverage levels. The Lotto Architect web site is currently demonstrating such a wheeling program including the use of such optimised wheels within the Lotto Architect program.

 

[tomtom]

I think front loaded means numbers placed near the begining appear more times than numbers further down to the end. Balance i think suggests all numbers appear and equal number of times.

 

[gsobier]

...the absolute bottom line to using a small list of numbers... ...they'd better come out if you want to do well... ...if they don't, you know the answer... ...if you used 2 DNs and they are both wrong, best you can get is a 4 hitter... ...really brutle trying to get something with that kind of failure...

...for the case of a 4 hitter with 2 DNs wrong, those 2 DNs being correct would be...

 

[hot4]

Picking, say 48 numbers - and playing them on 8 cards versus a 12 number wheel. I read at Ion Saliu's site that wheels do good for small wins, but poorer for big wins.

*shrugs*

You do very well to question this conclusion but it's important to know to what are you calling "random numbers".
It seems that you consider not random, every number of those lines got by means of wheeling.

There are no random numbers, there are numbers that are picked randomly or not.

In my opinion, a wheel can be a very good way to get numbers randomly.

Let's think about this wheel: 49,6,3,6=33 lines. The best wheel I got covers 7.334.698 lines (3if6) and it has 47 numbers 4 times and 2 numbers 5 times. It's a well balanced wheel with almost evry number with same frequency.

Using it as a front-loaded wheel, I have two possibilities.
1- If I substitute numbers in a not directed way, this wheel can be considered like a random process of picking *all* the numbers because it doesn't matter with past draws, pairs, etc. I don't care if #3 is paired with #4,#5,#6.... . I only expect that in 52,45133% of time it will give me 3hits.

2- If I think #3 will hit and substitute one of the numbers that appear 5 times by #3, that cannot be called a random process.

When #3 hits it's expected that the second way gives more prizes but no one can say that 6 hits will never happen in the first.

We all believe and expect that (all) draws are "RANDOM". That doesn't mean that only lines picked randomly can be winners. Lately there is a *vague* that wants to make us to believe that only random processes are winners because draws are expected to be random. That's a mistake.

Let's think about those players that picked their numbers long time ago and go on playing them draw after draw ... can we say they will loose money?

I can't

 

[tomtom]

Let's think about this wheel: 49,6,3,6=33 lines. The best wheel I got covers 7.334.698 lines (3if6) and it has 47 numbers 4 times and 2 numbers 5 times.

Have never tried those partial wheels, but it seems pretty interesting that 33 lines cover 3s in more than half combinations while more than 160 cover them all...

 

[cleopatra]

You do very well to question this conclusion but it's important to know to what are you calling "random numbers".
It seems that you consider not random, every number of those lines got by means of wheeling.

There are no random numbers, there are numbers that are picked randomly or not.

In my opinion, a wheel can be a very good way to get numbers randomly.

Let's think about this wheel: 49,6,3,6=33 lines. The best wheel I got covers 7.334.698 lines (3if6) and it has 47 numbers 4 times and 2 numbers 5 times. It's a well balanced wheel with almost evry number with same frequency.

Using it as a front-loaded wheel, I have two possibilities.
1- If I substitute numbers in a not directed way, this wheel can be considered like a random process of picking *all* the numbers because it doesn't matter with past draws, pairs, etc. I don't care if #3 is paired with #4,#5,#6.... . I only expect that in 52,45133% of time it will give me 3hits.

2- If I think #3 will hit and substitute one of the numbers that appear 5 times by #3, that cannot be called a random process.

When #3 hits it's expected that the second way gives more prizes but no one can say that 6 hits will never happen in the first.

We all believe and expect that (all) draws are "RANDOM". That doesn't mean that only lines picked randomly can be winners. Lately there is a *vague* that wants to make us to believe that only random processes are winners because draws are expected to be random. That's a mistake.

Let's think about those players that picked their numbers long time ago and go on playing them draw after draw ... can we say they will loose money?

I can't

Hi Hot4. I didn't explain myself very well. I should have said wheeling versus random play. This is what I meant. Scroll halfway down page.