help with australian keno or does some1 have a good formula that they want to try

[legin7777]

hi guys i am looking for assistance with australian keno
any help will be appreciated and if it works
i will be more than happy to repay you with % of winnings
here we play an 80 number keno drawing 20 balls numbers 1-80.
every 3minutes for 329 games a day

numbers played and how much won
1 $3
2 $12
3 $44
4 $120
5 $640
6 $1800
7 $5000
8 $25000
9 $100000
10 $1000000
each game you play costs $1
here are some results from this week
game1 44, 34, 31, 76, 54, 12, 65, 5, 14, 60, 32, 9, 68, 69, 73, 35, 59, 63, 62, 10 game2 35, 7, 40, 63, 42, 3, 30, 73, 78, 17, 5, 74, 9, 20, 72, 45, 67, 31, 51, 33
game3 74, 75, 35, 1, 11, 76, 51, 14, 36, 13, 45, 16, 12, 72, 57, 39, 9, 25, 66, 17 game4 80, 38, 75, 5, 8, 11, 60, 16, 48, 40, 51, 62, 54, 17, 36, 72, 76, 46, 53, 2
game5 75, 14, 62, 38, 54, 32, 64, 65, 55, 52, 39, 43, 50, 3, 5, 72, 73, 16, 17, 80 game6 63, 64, 41, 62, 38, 2, 26, 65, 6, 10, 11, 48, 19, 46, 12, 44, 54, 42, 80, 77 game7 74, 19, 11, 69, 47, 8, 24, 26, 58, 2, 71, 48, 76, 42, 77, 54, 62, 46, 20, 23
game8 73, 66, 38, 76, 7, 53, 60, 31, 43, 28, 65, 49, 30, 57, 55, 34, 29, 52, 42, 23 game9 40, 21, 80, 18, 64, 71, 27, 53, 49, 50, 19, 5, 2, 38, 42, 11, 25, 36, 33, 44
game10 4, 79, 69, 57, 22, 28, 51, 10, 65, 13, 36, 71, 47, 2, 31, 58, 23, 52, 53, 50 game11 57, 19, 67, 52, 17, 29, 48, 9, 28, 75, 43, 59, 8, 42, 60, 53, 33, 20, 30, 34 game12 75, 3, 31, 30, 77, 55, 80, 17, 60, 20, 70, 49, 22, 13, 45, 48, 54, 72, 16,11
game13 41, 37, 56, 5, 63, 75, 30, 64, 76, 36, 26, 3, 1, 9, 4, 79, 61, 35, 15, 38
game14 39, 36, 32, 45, 1, 75, 8, 68, 7, 4, 38, 26, 14, 64, 24, 49, 30, 28, 59, 67

there is just a couple of games to see if any ones formula comes close on any occasion even if you get 5 out of 20 it still pays money.

thanks for your time and look froward to hearing from you.
if i have said something stupid or repeated anybodys thread i am sorry

cheers Nigel from Australia

 

[tomtom]

every 3minutes for 329 games a day

So you are looking for an advice.....so, don't know which game you are playing but still a type of advice :

Check Tattersall's site for a really good Keno ...
it seems just one nice and relaxing draw daily, with some good prizes, bouncy balls, and possible rollovers which may make the JP very huge while starting JP is more than big enough in order to be very attractive, besides the other good prizes.....

I think it was possible to download or check a PDF file at their site containing all facts, including payout % , how draws are conducted and everything else of an importance for a lottery player or someone interested in it...

 

[tomtom]

and another type of advice :

a non - magic formula - as many tickets for the Saturday lotto that doesn't affect your living budget by any means... with that keno you like ... so if win, you won ..if not , have had some fun at not too much money ...

there is no any other magic formula for winning and numbers of winners but a game payouts , cost for one play , odds and luck

 

[blitzed]

hello legin7777,

my webpage here has some basic things for makin KENO picks:
http://crazynuts.hollosite.com/keno80_lottery_picks/

doing some analysis, I see these are the least common 20 numbers for your Australian KENO:
25 22 41 79 24
68 29 47 66 58
37 27 15 18 21
56 6 70 78 61

hottest 21 are:
75 38 76 42 5
36 11 17 54 30
72 64 9 65 80
2 60 62 53 31
48

hmmm, here is a 4if4 out of 20 numbers in 36picks wheel template:
http://www.ccrwest.org/cover/t_pages/t4/k10/C_20_10_4.html

Plenty more wheel templates on the La Jolla wheel site:
http://www.ccrwest.org/cover/HIGH.html

cheers!
blitzed

 

[johnph77]

When I was keeping up with such things on a regular basis (I haven't done so for a couple of years now - work keeps getting in the way.....) Tattersall's had the worst overall payout percentage of any Keno game in Australia. The last time I checked, the Tat's game was only available in Victoria.

I'll have to look up the info on the daily draw game legin7777 mentioned - when time allows. Do they have a web site with payouts for each game?

 

[tomtom]

When I was keeping up with such things on a regular basis (I haven't done so for a couple of years now - work keeps getting in the way.....) Tattersall's had the worst overall payout percentage of any Keno game in Australia. The last time I checked, the Tat's game was only available in Victoria.

I’m not sure how are you getting those payout percentages …... it can’t be any accurate unless a game says clearly which definite amount of the money pool % hold the first prize while also has a rollovers option if no one wins, which definite % of money pool take second prizes , and so on up to the lowest prize, while the total payout percent is an exact number too…

And yes, Tattersals is seems in actual fact a rather great company, and there are great games too…quite many various odds at about same high quality, while the ratio prizes quality / one play cost is very good, too..

 

[johnph77]

I’m not sure how are you getting those payout percentages …... it can’t be any accurate unless a game says clearly which definite amount of the money pool % hold the first prize while also has a rollovers option if no one wins, which definite % of money pool take second prizes , and so on up to the lowest prize, while the total payout percent is an exact number too…

And yes, Tattersals is seems in actual fact a rather great company, and there are great games too…quite many various odds at about same high quality, while the ratio prizes quality / one play cost is very good, too..

I went back and looked at my page, then the Tattersall's website:

http://www.tattersalls.com.au/lotteries2/howToPlay/pdf/rules_tattsKeno.pdf

The only change since I created that section in Sep 2003 is that the 10/10 payout is now a jackpot/rollover, starting at $250,000. At that level the overall payout percentage for the game is less than 50%.

All other payouts and percentages for all Keno games there are set and unchanged since I calculated and posted. I stand by my post.

 

[tomtom]

I stand by my post.

OK...most likely my math teachers or I failed in learning math, since don't understand a game payout unless there is a rollover possibility , % that takes a JP, and percents that other prizes hold...

And, also maybe I don't know much about lottery since think that quality of games that Tattersalls offers would quite improve winning atmosphere in quite many places, while at the same time easier on many pockets overally ...

 

[tomtom]

And, also maybe I don't know much about lottery since think that quality of games that Tattersalls offers would quite improve winning atmosphere in quite many places, while at the same time easier on many pockets overally ...

And also was thinking to offer them a few hundred $ as a relocating wish-support if they ever think about opening an office in my neighborhood, since after work I like playing an interesting game that has a really lot of winners at inexpensive prices, using a paper slip, so was thinking that Tatts 6/45 would be a quite a good choice, since having that many winners, despite I don't need to win... and also to play a few tickets in that keno, since I like games that have possible rollovers options and ball machines.. The most important is doing what you like and believe in...

But didn't place my little support - wish- offer, since don't know what all those trade agreements are about, and how they work...so if they would be able to open an office because of that...

 

[johnph77]

At one time when I had a lot more time on my hands than I do now I started to do total analyses of all the Keno games I had posted on my site. I never got around to analyzing the Tat's Keno but here is an example of what I have on the page for the Northern Territories 10 Spot game.


`Bet``Hits````````````````````````````Formula`````Possibilities```Odds`-`1::`````````Winners```````Payout``````Total`Payout````Pool`Pct`Payout`Pct
1.00`````0`((20!/20!)/(0!))x((60!/50!)/(10!))````75,394,027,566````````21.84```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````1`((20!/19!)/(1!))x((60!/51!)/(9!))````295,662,853,200`````````5.57```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````2`((20!/18!)/(2!))x((60!/52!)/(8!))````486,137,960,550`````````3.39```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````3`((20!/17!)/(3!))x((60!/53!)/(7!))````440,275,888,800`````````3.74```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````4`((20!/16!)/(4!))x((60!/54!)/(6!))````242,559,401,700`````````6.79```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````5`((20!/15!)/(5!))x((60!/55!)/(5!))`````84,675,282,048````````19.44``84,675,282,048`````````2.00```169,350,564,096``14.569574%`10.285538%
`````````6`((20!/14!)/(6!))x((60!/56!)/(4!))`````18,900,732,600````````87.11``18,900,732,600````````15.00```283,510,989,000``24.391028%`17.219092%
`````````7`((20!/13!)/(7!))x((60!/57!)/(3!))``````2,652,734,400```````620.68```2,652,734,400```````100.00```265,273,440,000``22.822014%`16.111431%
`````````8`((20!/12!)/(8!))x((60!/58!)/(2!))````````222,966,900`````7,384.47`````222,966,900```````775.00```172,799,347,500``14.866280%`10.495000%
`````````9`((20!/11!)/(9!))x((60!/59!)/(1!))`````````10,077,600```163,381.37``````10,077,600`````8,600.00````86,667,360,000```7.456169%``5.263758%
````````10`((20!/10!)/(10!))x((60!/60!)/(0!))```````````184,756`8,911,711.18`````````184,756`1,000,000.00```184,756,000,000``15.894935%`11.221190%
10`Spot`````(80!/70!)/(10!)```````````````````1,646,492,110,120````````15.47`106,461,978,304````````10.92`1,162,357,700,596`100.000000%`70.596008%


`Bet``Hits````````````````````````````Formula`Possibilities```````Odds`-`1::`````````Winners```````Payout``````Total`Payout````Pool`Pct`Payout`Pct
2.00`````0`((20!/20!)/(0!))x((60!/50!)/(10!))````75,394,027,566````````21.84```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````1`((20!/19!)/(1!))x((60!/51!)/(9!))````295,662,853,200`````````5.57```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````2`((20!/18!)/(2!))x((60!/52!)/(8!))````486,137,960,550`````````3.39```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````3`((20!/17!)/(3!))x((60!/53!)/(7!))````440,275,888,800`````````3.74```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````4`((20!/16!)/(4!))x((60!/54!)/(6!))````242,559,401,700`````````6.79```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````5`((20!/15!)/(5!))x((60!/55!)/(5!))`````84,675,282,048````````19.44``84,675,282,048`````````4.00```338,701,128,192``15.827456%`10.285538%
`````````6`((20!/14!)/(6!))x((60!/56!)/(4!))`````18,900,732,600````````87.11``18,900,732,600````````30.00```567,021,978,000``26.496857%`17.219092%
`````````7`((20!/13!)/(7!))x((60!/57!)/(3!))``````2,652,734,400```````620.68```2,652,734,400```````200.00```530,546,880,000``24.792381%`16.111431%
`````````8`((20!/12!)/(8!))x((60!/58!)/(2!))````````222,966,900`````7,384.47`````222,966,900`````1,550.00```345,598,695,000``16.149778%`10.495000%
`````````9`((20!/11!)/(9!))x((60!/59!)/(1!))`````````10,077,600```163,381.37``````10,077,600````17,200.00```173,334,720,000```8.099907%``5.263758%
````````10`((20!/10!)/(10!))x((60!/60!)/(0!))```````````184,756`8,911,711.18`````````184,756`1,000,000.00```184,756,000,000```8.633622%``5.610595%
10`Spot`````(80!/70!)/(10!)```````````````````1,646,492,110,120````````15.47`106,461,978,304````````20.10`2,139,959,401,192`100.000000%`64.985413%


`Bet``Hits````````````````````````````Formula`````Possibilities```Odds`-`1::`````````Winners```````Payout``````Total`Payout````Pool`Pct`Payout`Pct
5.00`````0`((20!/20!)/(0!))x((60!/50!)/(10!))````75,394,027,566````````21.84```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````1`((20!/19!)/(1!))x((60!/51!)/(9!))````295,662,853,200`````````5.57```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````2`((20!/18!)/(2!))x((60!/52!)/(8!))````486,137,960,550`````````3.39```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````3`((20!/17!)/(3!))x((60!/53!)/(7!))````440,275,888,800`````````3.74```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````4`((20!/16!)/(4!))x((60!/54!)/(6!))````242,559,401,700`````````6.79```````````````0`````````0.00`````````````````0```0.000000%``0.000000%
`````````5`((20!/15!)/(5!))x((60!/55!)/(5!))`````84,675,282,048````````19.44``84,675,282,048````````10.00```846,752,820,480``16.692137%`10.285538%
`````````6`((20!/14!)/(6!))x((60!/56!)/(4!))`````18,900,732,600````````87.11``18,900,732,600````````75.00`1,417,554,945,000``27.944426%`17.219092%
`````````7`((20!/13!)/(7!))x((60!/57!)/(3!))``````2,652,734,400```````620.68```2,652,734,400```````500.00`1,326,367,200,000``26.146832%`16.111431%
`````````8`((20!/12!)/(8!))x((60!/58!)/(2!))````````222,966,900`````7,384.47`````222,966,900`````3,875.00```863,996,737,500``17.032069%`10.495000%
`````````9`((20!/11!)/(9!))x((60!/59!)/(1!))`````````10,077,600```163,381.37``````10,077,600````43,000.00```433,336,800,000```8.542419%``5.263758%
````````10`((20!/10!)/(10!))x((60!/60!)/(0!))```````````184,756`8,911,711.18`````````184,756`1,000,000.00```184,756,000,000```3.642117%``2.244238%
10`Spot`````(80!/70!)/(10!)```````````````````1,646,492,110,120````````15.47`106,461,978,304````````47.65`5,072,764,502,980`100.000000%`61.919056%

Not only are the pool percentages - the percentage of the game pool per hit - included, but also the game percentages for each hit and, thusly, the game payout percentage, which is the percentage in the bottom right-hand corner. The formulas are there if you wish to work with them - go for it.

 

[tomtom]

The formulas are there if you wish to work with them - go for it.

Thank you and I appreciate your work. It may help to anyone who likes some facts from a mathematical point of view.

But, despite I might be familiar with most of these formulas, my reality math wouldn’t include any many lottery formulas but two basic senses… Vision and Smell

Vision, so I could check how many there is winners in various prize categories and how good are those prizes

Vision, for checking if there are % that explain these prizes

Vision, for checking if the game is with ball machines or not

Vision, for how often JP rolls over and if it is an option at all

Vision, for checking how much is cost for one combination

Vision, for checking is there are any mandatory quick picks

Than, using the all above, I could smell at least three possibilities:

1.game for those who are supposed to like many rollovers

2 game where a rollover is not an option

3.game with quite rare rollovers

If the number 3 game has additionally good ticket prices, good ALL prizes and ball machines , and none mandatory quick picks by any means, then in my opinion it smells very GOOD…possibly nearly as good as the above Tattersalls 6/45...

 

[johnph77]

Reference:

http://www.tattersalls.com.au/lotteries2/howToPlay/pdf/rules_tattslotto.pdf

All payouts in the TattsLotto 6/45 are pari-mutuel. Minimum game payout percentage is 55%. No more than four consecutive jackpot rollovers are permitted, then the jackpot fund reverts down to the next prize division (match 5, but not the bonus ball). Percentages of the prize fund allocated for each division are listed in the .pdf file.

gl - and thanks

j