Graphical Approach?

[mrfirkin]

Hi guys,

I am new here. Looks like a great site.

I have been trying for over 20 years to hit the jackpot with the Aussie lotteries.

Not had much luck at all.

I started using LottoPro about 8 months ago and have had a run of small wins the past couple of months. Nothing big, but consistant. I think it's nothing more than pure luck though as the first 6 months faithfully using this software failed miserably. Fun way to pick the numbers though.

I have had this idea about a graphical approach to all this.

Say you had a program that would overlay (perhaps in colours) each weeks numbers on a chart, maybe you could see graphical 'patterns' developing? Kinda like firing a paint gun at a wall chart.

Maybe a wacko idea and I don't have any programming knowledge to put it into practice.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Paul.

 

[blavkwidow]

mrfirkin

Welcome To The
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[mrfirkin]

Welcome To The
forum!

Thanks blavkwidow,

Looks like a great forum. Plenty of stuff to keep me busy!

Cheers,

Paul.

 

[Teufellj]

Howdy mrfirkin and ...WELCOME!
I've played various lotterys for many moons and what I can say about "graphics" is that they are wonderful if you are an artistic type. With the problems associated, a balancing act in lotto numbers, I pictured per your description of paint ball murals what any digits in graphical setup might look like. Picasso may have it right but could you imagine what would happen to your numbers if the paint were too thin and the blended digits ran down the canvas to the bottom of the frame? I'm not making fun of your great idea because I've seen many different graphical masterpieces including ones of mathmatical grace. The point is to deal with lottery math of any persuasion, you must to best of your ability, understand the game of your choice before you can make a colorful portrait with your ideas in mind then you finesse the finished product.
Regards,

Teufellj...

 

[mrfirkin]

Hi Teufellj,

Thanks for the welcome.

Hmm, yes, I see what you mean.

I was trying to convey the idea of adding the weekly numbers overlaid in some way on a chart and trying to see if there is some sort of pretty pattern emerging that might indicate which way the numbers picked are shifting?

I thought it might be a whacky idea but I'm trying to think outside the square.

We'll keep trying ... and dreaming! : )

Cheers,

Paul.

 

[simonsez]

Hi Teufellj,

Thanks for the welcome.

Hmm, yes, I see what you mean.

I was trying to convey the idea of adding the weekly numbers overlaid in some way on a chart and trying to see if there is some sort of pretty pattern emerging that might indicate which way the numbers picked are shifting?

I thought it might be a whacky idea but I'm trying to think outside the square.

We'll keep trying ... and dreaming! : )

Cheers,

Paul.

Hi Paul,
I've never thought of a graphical approach to the big jackpot lotteries but there is something to that when it comes to the Pick 3. Look around some more on the internet to find information on this, if you're country has a daily
3 game. You might be surprised how much this comes into effect but only on the pick 3.

 

[Teufellj]

Hello again Paul,
just wanted to clarify something for both you and our forum members. As I stated earlier, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a color graphic program and I think that it could be a great way to enhance number movements. There are a few people in the world who are distracted by colored anythings pertaining to numbers. I am one of those minority who are distracted by anything other than black or white when I'm doing calculations. Nothing personal mind, just one of my quirks. I love colors on most anything as long as they don't clash as in mismatched clothing and some paintings by Picasso. Anyway, do your thing so as it suits your thinking and carries your idea(s) clearly about what is happening on that graph for others to see!

Talk at you later,
Teufellj...

 

[mrfirkin]

Hi Paul,
I've never thought of a graphical approach to the big jackpot lotteries but there is something to that when it comes to the Pick 3. Look around some more on the internet to find information on this, if you're country has a daily
3 game. You might be surprised how much this comes into effect but only on the pick 3.

Hi Simonsez,

Thanks for that info. I will look a little further into it.

I know what I want to do with this, just don't have the programming skills to put my idea to work.

Cheers,

Paul.

 

[mrfirkin]

Hello again Paul,
just wanted to clarify something for both you and our forum members. As I stated earlier, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a color graphic program and I think that it could be a great way to enhance number movements. There are a few people in the world who are distracted by colored anythings pertaining to numbers. I am one of those minority who are distracted by anything other than black or white when I'm doing calculations. Nothing personal mind, just one of my quirks. I love colors on most anything as long as they don't clash as in mismatched clothing and some paintings by Picasso. Anyway, do your thing so as it suits your thinking and carries your idea(s) clearly about what is happening on that graph for others to see!

Talk at you later,
Teufellj...

Hi Teufellj,

I didn't really mean to suggest colours as the way to do this. Simply plotting the numbers (shades of grey or just the numbers if you like) on
a chart overlay that you could make up from past results data and then visually see if any kinds of visual patterns are emerging. Overlays on overlays on overlays etc. Would probably start to build a kind of 'ink blob'
with definate patterns emerging?

Kind of like they do with GIS mapping software and the overlays used in Adobe Photoshop type thing. Transparant overlays on a underlaying numbered chart.

I know what kind of program I have in mind to do all this, but as I previously mentioned, I lack the programming skills.

Cheers,

Paul.

 

[simonsez]

I'm sorry, I kind of misread your post here. I was thinking more "GEO" graphical, as in states or countries numbers following each other. Like when for example, 416 shows up in Illinois, 981 will show up next in Kansas, something like that. Pardon me. You are talking about making graphs of numbers. There are plenty of charts available like that. Do you have any lottery software that shows statistics?

 

[blitzed]

Hi Teufellj,

I didn't really mean to suggest colours as the way to do this. Simply plotting the numbers (shades of grey or just the numbers if you like) on
a chart overlay that you could make up from past results data and then visually see if any kinds of visual patterns are emerging. Overlays on overlays on overlays etc. Would probably start to build a kind of 'ink blob'
with definate patterns emerging?

Kind of like they do with GIS mapping software and the overlays used in Adobe Photoshop type thing. Transparant overlays on a underlaying numbered chart.

I know what kind of program I have in mind to do all this, but as I previously mentioned, I lack the programming skills.

Cheers,

Paul.

hmmm, I don't like workin with colors either, but a colorized number distribution chart sounds interesting...perhaps I can add somethin like that to my spreadsheet, might help patterns leap out better

blitzed

 

[mrfirkin]

I'm sorry, I kind of misread your post here. I was thinking more "GEO" graphical, as in states or countries numbers following each other. Like when for example, 416 shows up in Illinois, 981 will show up next in Kansas, something like that. Pardon me. You are talking about making graphs of numbers. There are plenty of charts available like that. Do you have any lottery software that shows statistics?

Hi Simonsez,

I have lottopro that has bar graphs etc but I really want to see a 'distribution' type layout.

maybe there is already software that does this?

cheers,

Paul.

 

[mrfirkin]

hmmm, I don't like workin with colors either, but a colorized number distribution chart sounds interesting...perhaps I can add somethin like that to my spreadsheet, might help patterns leap out better

blitzed

Hi Blitzed,

That would be great. Keep us posted!

Cheers,

Paul.

 

[simonsez]

Hi guys,

I am new here. Looks like a great site.

I have been trying for over 20 years to hit the jackpot with the Aussie lotteries.

Not had much luck at all.

I started using LottoPro about 8 months ago and have had a run of small wins the past couple of months. Nothing big, but consistant. I think it's nothing more than pure luck though as the first 6 months faithfully using this software failed miserably. Fun way to pick the numbers though.

I have had this idea about a graphical approach to all this.

Say you had a program that would overlay (perhaps in colours) each weeks numbers on a chart, maybe you could see graphical 'patterns' developing? Kinda like firing a paint gun at a wall chart.

Maybe a wacko idea and I don't have any programming knowledge to put it into practice.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Paul.

You are like me, you come up with an idea and can't put it into motion. I'm trying to learn Excel on my own but I don't know why I'm finding it so difficult.

I have done something similiar to this. I would print out all my state's past results and color code the numbers, one at a time, like just the 3's for example and color them red. Then I'd tape them all to the wall and see if there was any pattern to the 3's. To be honest, it didn't really help me out all that much, but that's just me.

It sounds like a skip and hit chart will probably show you everything you need. You are looking for patterns of numbers, correct? First it's probably better if you broke them down in pairs, triples, and quads so you can see what numbers show up with each other the most. There is a program that does this for you.

Paul, I don't know if you've ever read Gail Howard's Lottery Master Guide, but that is a great book to start with. She lists the skip and hit charts and many others. You can either do them by hand or buy her Lottoadvantage program which has all the charts and graphs done for you already. I'd check to make sure that your country's past results were included if you decide to give it a look. Let me know.

 

[mrfirkin]

You are like me, you come up with an idea and can't put it into motion. I'm trying to learn Excel on my own but I don't know why I'm finding it so difficult.

I have done something similiar to this. I would print out all my state's past results and color code the numbers, one at a time, like just the 3's for example and color them red. Then I'd tape them all to the wall and see if there was any pattern to the 3's. To be honest, it didn't really help me out all that much, but that's just me.

It sounds like a skip and hit chart will probably show you everything you need. You are looking for patterns of numbers, correct? First it's probably better if you broke them down in pairs, triples, and quads so you can see what numbers show up with each other the most. There is a program that does this for you.

Paul, I don't know if you've ever read Gail Howard's Lottery Master Guide, but that is a great book to start with. She lists the skip and hit charts and many others. You can either do them by hand or buy her Lottoadvantage program which has all the charts and graphs done for you already. I'd check to make sure that your country's past results were included if you decide to give it a look. Let me know.

Hi Simonsez,

Yes, I can think up ideas (mostly stupid ones) but I just can't put them into practice.

I'm having difficulty trying to express my idea for this in words too.

I know what you mean regards skip and hit charts and all that stuff, but what I really have in mind is purely a grey/black & white (or coloured if you wish) pattern, formed by overlaying the crosses/blobs/ticks or whatever you guys in USA or other countries use when you fill out a ticket.

The only need for them to co-realate to a number is for reference when you start analyzing them when they are overlaid on a blank ticket.

I just thought we might see 'trends' developing in the way the resulting shapes start to build and rather than calculate numbers to do our picks, we could use the trends of the shapes/patterns that form as they are overlaid on top of each other like in a pile.

Hope I'm making sense? Would be easier if I could draw what I have in mind I guess.

Cheers,

Paul.

 

[simonsez]

Hi Simonsez,

Yes, I can think up ideas (mostly stupid ones) but I just can't put them into practice.

I'm having difficulty trying to express my idea for this in words too.

I know what you mean regards skip and hit charts and all that stuff, but what I really have in mind is purely a grey/black & white (or coloured if you wish) pattern, formed by overlaying the crosses/blobs/ticks or whatever you guys in USA or other countries use when you fill out a ticket.

The only need for them to co-realate to a number is for reference when you start analyzing them when they are overlaid on a blank ticket.

I just thought we might see 'trends' developing in the way the resulting shapes start to build and rather than calculate numbers to do our picks, we could use the trends of the shapes/patterns that form as they are overlaid on top of each other like in a pile.

Hope I'm making sense? Would be easier if I could draw what I have in mind I guess.

Cheers,

Paul.

Hi Paul,
Yes, I know exactly what you mean now. I have problems myself expressing these ideas in words. You have it in your head but somehow it's so hard to translate onto the keyboard.

I have thought of doing the exact same thing as you. Seeing if the dots match up into some sort of pattern. I started doing it once but in the end it seemed kind of fruitless. Yes, there are patterns there but in a pick 5 or 6 game they fluctuate a lot, due to ball changes and rotations, etc. Just when you think you have it down it will change on you. If you write systems like I do you notice these things when you find you have something working for awhile and then all of a sudden it just stops.

On another lottery forum someone gave this idea about how to find your numbers. You can either add pi (3.14), divide by pi, subtract by pi or multiply by pi. Here is how you'd do it:

Say your last drawing was 2 13 24 27 33 45

Put the numbers together like this, 213 132 324 242 427 273 733 334 345
and do the pi with these numbers.

Does your country, (Australia,right?) have the pick 3 game? If it does, I would study that game and learn as much about it as I could. You will find that if you can't even get yourself to predict 3 SINGLE numbers out of 10, how in the world can you ever expect to pick 5 or 6 out of fields of 40 and 50+ numbers? It kind of wakes you up and makes you realize how difficult these big jackpot games are.

I'm enjoying talking to you here. Hope this helps you out a little.

 

[mrfirkin]

Hi Paul,
Yes, I know exactly what you mean now. I have problems myself expressing these ideas in words. You have it in your head but somehow it's so hard to translate onto the keyboard.

I have thought of doing the exact same thing as you. Seeing if the dots match up into some sort of pattern. I started doing it once but in the end it seemed kind of fruitless. Yes, there are patterns there but in a pick 5 or 6 game they fluctuate a lot, due to ball changes and rotations, etc. Just when you think you have it down it will change on you. If you write systems like I do you notice these things when you find you have something working for awhile and then all of a sudden it just stops.

On another lottery forum someone gave this idea about how to find your numbers. You can either add pi (3.14), divide by pi, subtract by pi or multiply by pi. Here is how you'd do it:

Say your last drawing was 2 13 24 27 33 45

Put the numbers together like this, 213 132 324 242 427 273 733 334 345
and do the pi with these numbers.

Does your country, (Australia,right?) have the pick 3 game? If it does, I would study that game and learn as much about it as I could. You will find that if you can't even get yourself to predict 3 SINGLE numbers out of 10, how in the world can you ever expect to pick 5 or 6 out of fields of 40 and 50+ numbers? It kind of wakes you up and makes you realize how difficult these big jackpot games are.

I'm enjoying talking to you here. Hope this helps you out a little.

Hi Simonsez,

Arrgghh! I am hopeless at maths!

That's why I tend to try and look for visual ways to solve things opposed to mathmatical solutions. a Right Brain/Left Brain thing I guess?

I don't believe we have a 3 number game down here. All 6/40, 6/45 7/49
etc.

I know the odds are millions to one, but every week there are people winning and that adds up to quite a few people across all the weekly draws.

Someone has to be a winner! You never know eh?

Enjoying the chats too. I am really enjoying your string stuff and all the other great ideas floating round this forum.

Cheers,

Paul.

 

[Teufellj]

Hello Paul, ....................

In reference to your way of recognizing numbers thru a sort of graphical approach but not in the classical way; I am wondering wether you can do lottery math by "seeing" the digits as certain colors or hue groups! Stating this question in this fashion was suggested by yourself when you voiced a comment that it's easier for you. Sounds like something that happened to me in my early elementary school days. To begin, I have hated math with a purple passion---why? In my early childhood, I had a grumpy old @$#%^&*** for a teacher, a type of thing that any good dog would bury! She must have really scaird the peewaddly out of me and also built an intrinsic distrust of her character type and anything associated with her(math, etc,)Eventually, I became involved in Eastern studys of the mind (right/left brain).
This in turn lead to my discovering thru study--- why I could do math but only its lowest functions. My question to you may have come about in some like fashion then again maybe not. I have used what I call crutches-finger counting; number associations and the like. This person "thinks" numbers in patterns but not in colors. I do not see the digits or the patterns per se but I am aware of a blend or melding in such a way that they are one and the same thing. If you, Paul, were to use your coloring technique (overlays) and see some of your highlighting hues in various sets or singled out numbers, this may give you a better understanding thru blending as you will do when you put into operation a program that will let your minds eye "see" what you consciously do not!
Hope that this helps,

Teufellj...

 

[blitzed]

analyzing them when they are overlaid on a blank ticket.
Paul.

Now I get it Paul, you are lookin for symmetrical patterns in the wya the actual lottery ticket is filled in.

Funny, that reminds me of the old scantron mulitple choice #2 pencil tests way back in school hah! don't know the answers? fill in some fancy lookin patterns haha!

blitzed

 

[blitzed]

On another lottery forum someone gave this idea about how to find your numbers. You can either add pi (3.14), divide by pi, subtract by pi or multiply by pi.

hiya simonsez, yes do your homework and you'll find that the spreadsheet gives countless mathmatical functions at your fingertips!

I've actually messed around with those obscure functions before, trying to devise systems...I ended up just deleting the stuff because the spreadsheet was getting too bloated. Perhaps I should revisit those functions and work out some crazy algorithm to test over a nice chunk of draws.

blitzed