comparing won combinations

[kosteczki]

One of my friends strongly believes that what ever you do alters the universe (like the time I forgot to buy our tickets and I was practically praying that none of our numbers hit) well nothing hit we saved some money in my opinion, but in his sicne I forgot to buy the tickets the universe in it's whole changed and if I did buy the tickets the outcome may have been different.

This got me thinking, ods are a generalisation based on the mathematical probability. Nothing says that a certain combination can't hit more than 2 or 3 times before all the 14million combos are played out. It's just the probability that they won't.

But what if we take it to another level, since it would take approximatly 134,615 years to go through all combinations (playing the current cnadian 2 times a week 6/49), wouldn't it be safe to assume (using the universe theory) that all 649 lottos out there are joined, not by anything we normally would associate with the physical meaning of joined, but by some force out there that makes the probabilities correct in the grand scheme of things.

So to my question now, has anyone tried to compare the history of 2 or more 6/49 lottos to see what percentage of lotto combination drawn in each one are the same, and then eliminate all picked combinations from all 6/49 lottos and simply concentrate on only entering the combinations that have never been picked in any of the many 6/49's or even pick 7 lottos.

Anyone have some thaughts on this???

please excuse my typos and improper spelling trying to make the cut off before this doesn't post right.

 

[mirage]

One of my friends strongly believes that what ever you do alters the universe (like the time I forgot to buy our tickets and I was practically praying that none of our numbers hit) well nothing hit we saved some money in my opinion, but in his sicne I forgot to buy the tickets the universe in it's whole changed and if I did buy the tickets the outcome may have been different.

This got me thinking, ods are a generalisation based on the mathematical probability. Nothing says that a certain combination can't hit more than 2 or 3 times before all the 14million combos are played out. It's just the probability that they won't.

But what if we take it to another level, since it would take approximatly 134,615 years to go through all combinations (playing the current cnadian 2 times a week 6/49), wouldn't it be safe to assume (using the universe theory) that all 649 lottos out there are joined, not by anything we normally would associate with the physical meaning of joined, but by some force out there that makes the probabilities correct in the grand scheme of things.

So to my question now, has anyone tried to compare the history of 2 or more 6/49 lottos to see what percentage of lotto combination drawn in each one are the same, and then eliminate all picked combinations from all 6/49 lottos and simply concentrate on only entering the combinations that have never been picked in any of the many 6/49's or even pick 7 lottos.

Anyone have some thaughts on this???

please excuse my typos and improper spelling trying to make the cut off before this doesn't post right.

It's an interesting idea... Personally don't know about dubbing it "the universe theory", as it's unlikely that, but I do get where your are trying to go with this. I see from your other postings on the board that you are trying to pursue this. Are you going to do some experimenting with this yourself or did you just want to throw it out to the board to see what others thought?

1) How many similar type lotteries would you think sufficient to compare before arriving at number of combos not won by any?
2) What would you do if you found some lottos had had some winning combos in common in their histories?
Probability would probably show that the more lotteries you compared the more likelihood of there being combos in common/or, the number of combos not yet won would still be unrealistically in the multitudes.

 

[kosteczki]

Re: Re: comparing won combinations

It's an interesting idea... Personally don't know about dubbing it "the universe theory", as it's unlikely that, but I do get where your are trying to go with this. I see from your other postings on the board that you are trying to pursue this. Are you going to do some experimenting with this yourself or did you just want to throw it out to the board to see what others thought?

1) How many similar type lotteries would you think sufficient to compare before arriving at number of combos not won by any?
2) What would you do if you found some lottos had had some winning combos in common in their histories?
Probability would probably show that the more lotteries you compared the more likelihood of there being combos in common/or, the number of combos not yet won would still be unrealistically in the multitudes.

Yes it would be an experiment I would pursue if I can get all the data. There is a couple of of ways I would like to go about this.

One all the Canadian 649's, I would need to find some people to purchase tickets for me for a couple of the regional (I have people for Wetsern "me" for Quebec and for BC).

The second would be just purchasing tickets in the national and western but based on the data of all the 649's I can get, so all Canada all USA all world.

Now of course there is going to be combinations that have all ready been played in a a few of the different lottos, buT I think it would be very interesting to see what percentage of the drawn combinations match drawn combinations in other lottos.

And off course I would not be purchasing all the combinations left because there is still going to be a large portion of unplayed compared to played (100 lottos with 3000 draws each still is only 300,000 drawn combinations) but I would be using the drawn combinations as a refference to combinations not to pick.

For example if I end up choosing 20 combinations instead of making sure they have never been chosen in the National lottos past, I would be making sure it was not chosen in any lotto, and then it would be ok to pick it, well after my other filters are looked into as well.

Like I said it would be just an experiment, I would love to see a 1% repeat combinations or less, but I believe 5% or less would still be a good figure to work with.

BTW if anyone knows where I can get downloadable hitory lists for different lottos please let me know.

Thanks,

 

[kosteczki]

Sorry I forgot to thank you for your reply Mirage.

And anyone else reading this please reply even if you think I am just nuts, I always take every opinion into consideration.

 

[tomtom]

And anyone else reading this please reply even if you think I am just nuts, I always take every opinion into consideration.

Well kosteczki, simply said it’s hard to perceive how really immense nearly 14.000.000 combinations is..
so, without any checking, believe there will be significantly less than 0,001% repeats in your future database. And, BTW, that fact from the reason of huge possible total combinations simply can’t be either an advantage or disadvantage in whatever you are looking for.. imo, 13,800,000 and 13,900,000 apples is somehow about the same number of apples

 

[kosteczki]

Thanks for your opinion Tom Tom.
You are right, the difference is not that big compared to how many actual combinations there is.

But IMO using your example that's 100,000 less combinations out there to play. To me anything that can give us an adge helps out.

Plus it would be interesting to see if there are similar paterns/statistics in other 649's compared to this one, or if there is any patern with all of them combined.

p.s. there would be a difference in 13.8 and 13.9 million apples, probably around $50,000.

 

[johnph77]

Some time ago I did a probability table on a 6/49 matrix - the probability, not possibility, of having a repeat of the 6 drawn numbers is even after around the 5,000,000th draw if I remember correctly. It is possible but not probable that two consecutive draws will draw the same six numbers - the same odds of hitting all six.

 

[millsy]

hi there..as of a few months ago..last time i ran the programming,
there were dozens of 6/49's and zero ocurrances of duplicate
sixes within any one lottery...interestingly enough....there were zero duplicate combos of 6 found in ANY/ALL of the 6/49's !
..so here is your hypothesis...duplicate 6's will not reoccur...
maybe in 6 or 7 thousand YEARS..but not in our lifetimes !

i'll take you one step further...i don't have my actual figures with me so i'll approximate by memory..here goes....in all 2250+
draws to date, there have only been 10 combos of 5 which have
duplicated 2x - ( combos of 5 from 6 - without using the bonus )
so you can actual eliminate any ticket which contains one of the
6 x 2250(+) combos of 5 which have already come up !
using the bonus and creating combos of 5 turns out a little differently. you get something like 45000 combos of 5...we know
10 of them have happened 2 x ( from the group made from 5/6)
and i recall about 574 ?? have ocurred 2x from the group of
just over 45000 combos of 5....around 1% give or take....you can
look at this 2 ways....#1- use tickets with zero combos of 5
which have ocurred before and you'll be right 75% of the time..
or you can use tickets with any ONE of the (574-10) combos of
5 and you'll be right about 25% of the time ! my first time on the
forum..i'll post more in the future..i have tons of good stuff !

 

[millsy]

btw - the holy grail i am currently searching for is a system which
CONSISTENTLY contains the six winners out of some number
less than the full n=49....i currently can get this down to n=40
but i'm looking to improve upon this ? any suggestions
ps - i don't care about capturing the bonus #

 

[mirage]

btw - the holy grail i am currently searching for is a system which
CONSISTENTLY contains the six winners out of some number
less than the full n=49....i currently can get this down to n=40
but i'm looking to improve upon this ? any suggestions
ps - i don't care about capturing the bonus #

Kudos for your info and Welcome to the Board millsy!

 

[Brad]

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[kosteczki]

Welcome millsy.
Thanks for the info on your previous experiences.
I guess you are going about this in a similar way as myself. Eliminating the least possible combinations.

Are you using Excell for this info or software??
Thanks,

 

[millsy]

file format reply

9/16/05
my programming is in; turbo basic, another form of basic called
business basic (bbx), a little c, a little vb6, and some sql..
most files are transferrable to ascii .txt or excel just to keep them
portable between systems....i have found running different
applications in different languages have distinct speed
advantages, so i usually run them against eachother and choose
the fastest platform for development. since you are 'playing'
with combinations..here is some food for thought...as mentioned
no combos of 6 have duplicated,, obviously no combos of 7
either ( 1 in 80 million approx ), and very few combos of 5...
consider this...i ran sample freq dists..sample size 25 thru 2000
and created there freq dists - most popular to least..then i
plotted the subsequent draw on the position (ie- most popular
position being = position 1 thru least pop position being =49
..then i saved the "position freq distributions" for all sample
sizes mentioned....took weeks to run !!! guess what...there were
MANY duplicate sets of seven ! and tons of duplicated sets of 6
and just too many duplicated sets of 5..what does this mean ?
think of the freq dist as a "pole" where the most popular #'s
"vibrate" up and down a little but stay relatively "unmoved"..
so, figure out which 'positions' are most popular under a given
sample size, or several sample sizes...and then play the numbers which correspond to those positions on the relevant sample for
the next draw ! think about it..several combos of 7..each with
1:80million odds..this is a way better strategy to follow !
p.s. keep me posted on what you come up with !
ps i have tons more of this stuff !

 

[millsy]

btw...at present, i can filter my "play file" down to around 50k-60k
in tickets...and capture the winner 1 in 3 times on average...can
further filter my 'play file' down to 5k-6.5k range and get the
winner 1/8 draws..really ticked me off when they went to $2
because it doubled the investment required ! i just don't have the spine to pull the trigger on 8 draws x 6.5k x $2 (yet )
..still working on filters...
presently working on neural net program to see if i can
come up with any "predictive" filters. this neural net stuff is new
for me so i'm having a slow time of it !
regards !

 

[mirage]

btw...at present, i can filter my "play file" down to around 50k-60k
in tickets...and capture the winner 1 in 3 times on average...can
further filter my 'play file' down to 5k-6.5k range and get the
winner 1/8 draws..really ticked me off when they went to $2
because it doubled the investment required ! i just don't have the spine to pull the trigger on 8 draws x 6.5k x $2 (yet )
..still working on filters...
presently working on neural net program to see if i can
come up with any "predictive" filters. this neural net stuff is new
for me so i'm having a slow time of it !
regards !

What you say is has some interesting points for pondering.

(Not to be taken seriously but, ...if what you say above is true, you could start a syndicate with some well-heeled ppl, each chipping in a chunk of $$$$, especially if the jackpot should happen to roll over a couple or bunch of times. However, that's still a lot of lotto cards to organize and run through the lotto kiosks... and a bit of a high stakes risk... Just a thought.)

 

[kosteczki]

Maybe I shoulden't be replying to the this now as I have just come back from the bar (gotta love company functions food/booz/taxi allpaid for) but I will try and make sence of your posting later tomorow. I will keep you posted with what I come up.
Thx

 

[luckystrike]

ODDS...

WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT THESE #'S CAME UP WITHIN A YEAR A PART ..I BELIEVE IN THE ODDS OF PROBABILITY...SO WHAT ARE THEY ODDS THAT THESE FIVE #'S MAY COME AGAIN....OR EVEN SIX...??????????

12..16..20..26..43..44..

12..16..20..27..43..44..

I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER 88/89.....or...98/99.....

 

[millsy]

i do run a small syndicate presently..we used to play around
$1000 per draw...when the ticket went to $2 we cut back to
about $300 per draw...for some reason doubling the price has
a worse effect on out comes at 1/2 the tickets..we actually had
to cut the number back a little ( to about 150) in order to maintain
a return on investment - we average 1.4357 roi
BUT still have not won big one....all of my strategies still point
to playing less more often,,vs playing more once in a while...
still playing against enormous odds.
i want to build a web based syndicate eventually.
p.s. we print the tickets on computer and drop the stacks
off at two kiosks...they seem to like the business !
good luck tonight to all !

 

[millsy]

for luckystrike...this does not "fit" with the stats believers (purists)but your odds are presently running about 580/2250 that a combo of 5 which has already ocurred..will reoccur....approx
25% of the time and growing (slowly)..there are 1906884
combos of 5 and 6 per ticket, so if you start with 317814 tickets
with no duplicate combos of 5 ( actually impossible to create )
the best i can do is 219k...but still..you likely have captured all
2nd and 3rd prizes ! filter from there !

kostecski - don't forget to look and combos of 3 & 4 - you'll find the opposite happens...combos of three come up the same all
the time - do a freq dist of them..there are about 18,000 of them..
some have never come up....i eliminate tickets which contain any
of the c3's which have never come up....same with c4's...they typically show a percentage of repeaters plus a percentage of
new c4's...so filter you tickets using these ranges and throw out the garbage !
regards!

 

[millsy]

for kostecszki - try lotto whiz for your history files...cheap price
..program is ok..nothing new...but they have a really eazy and
quick download/update for tons of lotteries