Changing numbers vs kepping them and MORE!!

[Michael19]

Hello everyone!

First time poster... long time reader. I'm a 6/49 player who uses a 20 number abridged wheel (generates ten plays). I have six sets of ten numbers that I play every draw (numbers don't change). I've noticed on this board some players seem to change their numbers from draw to draw, I'm wondering what the advantage of new numbers every time is vs. keeping them the same.

Just out of curiosity, how many people here have hit the big one or at least something close? I know that with my system doesn't generate big payouts often but I do consistently get 3 - 6 $10 winners each draw.

And can anyone point me to a 20 number full wheel?

Thanks!

 

[gsobier]

Michael:

There are some other members who would be able to help you out more than myself with wheels. I'm interested in the seeing the 20 numbers you use and the 10 lines played if you would like to share with everyone.

Regards,
George

Hello everyone!

First time poster... long time reader. I'm a 6/49 player who uses a 20 number abridged wheel (generates ten plays). I have six sets of ten numbers that I play every draw (numbers don't change). I've noticed on this board some players seem to change their numbers from draw to draw, I'm wondering what the advantage of new numbers every time is vs. keeping them the same.

Just out of curiosity, how many people here have hit the big one or at least something close? I know that with my system doesn't generate big payouts often but I do consistently get 3 - 6 $10 winners each draw.

And can anyone point me to a 20 number full wheel?

Thanks!

 

[Michael19]

Well it's six groups of 20 numbers, 10 lines of play each group... that's 60 plays a draw!! It'll take a while to enter everything here (and I'm VERY protective of my numbers!! jk!)!!

I'll add 'em in once I get good chunk of time to enter them, it takes forever!!!

 

[gsobier]

Michael:

Once you post them, I can give you a report showing exactly how many winners there have been from your 60 lines for as many draws in history as you would like. I think it would be interesting to see if you win or loose in the long run. Have any of your lines won big in the past going back to the very first draw is one of the other questions we can have an answer for if you have not found this out for yourself. A program will tell you for sure what the story is here.

Regards,
George

Well it's six groups of 20 numbers, 10 lines of play each group... that's 60 plays a draw!! It'll take a while to enter everything here (and I'm VERY protective of my numbers!! jk!)!!

I'll add 'em in once I get good chunk of time to enter them, it takes forever!!!

 

[Beaker]

Re: Re: Changing numbers vs kepping them and MORE!!

George,

LT has a 20 number, 10 line, 3if6 wheel here

Michael:

There are some other members who would be able to help you out more than myself with wheels. I'm interested in the seeing the 20 numbers you use and the 10 lines played if you would like to share with everyone.

Regards,
George

 

[gsobier]

Re: Re: Re: Changing numbers vs kepping them and MORE!!

Beaker:

I knew you'd lend a hand, thanks for helping out.

Regards,
George

George,

LT has a 20 number, 10 line, 3if6 wheel here

 

[Beaker]

Michael19 welcome.

In your 6 sets of 10 do you cover all the numbers?

You are what I would call a "trapper" player - same numbers played every draw waiting to "trap" winners.

If you change numbers every draw you are a "hunter"

I knew a real trapper once. He would go every other morning in the winter and check his traps hoping to have something. Once he said to me, Beaker, I should have some traps set up on the west side of the lake - that is an area that looks good.

This is the essence of trapping - you need to set a lot of traps to get what you want.

Funny thing is my trapper friend always had a gun. In the Fall, my he would hunt whatever was in season - typically moose. Ususally, he would get one which is a lot of meat for the upcoming winter.

He always did both - hunt and trap - whichever combination of strategies worked to survive.

Good luck

 

[Michael19]

I've already entered all the numbers into the OLGC website to see what (if any) past winnings and patterns have been back when I first started to play them... it was a seriously slow day. HA! I figured that if any had won a straight six before the chances of it repeating would be slim. In an interesting note, one of the groups played did produce a winner... back in 1986 I believe. Woulda... shoulda... coulda...

Their site has a few interesting things on it like how many times each number has been drawn etc.

Anyhow, now that NASA is testing Einstiens time space relitivity theory right now it'll be only a short time before a time machine is invented... I'll get the big one about a week after that!

 

[Michael19]

To Beaker:

You're right! I gues my "gun" is the dozen or so quick pics I grab every week. Interesting ideas all around.

But back to one of my original questions, with all these different methods out their and being practiced, has anyone here actualy won anything substantial?

Thanks!

 

[Nick Koutras]

Below are some wheels with multiple
prices to be won if used.



LD(15,6,3,6,L=2)=7

1 5 8 10 11 13
1 2 3 4 5 10
3 7 8 9 13 15
1 2 3 4 11 13
6 7 9 12 14 15
6 8 10 11 12 14
2 4 5 7 9 15



LD(15,6,3,6,L=3)=10

1 7 9 12 13 15
2 4 11 12 13 14
1 5 6 8 13 15
2 4 6 10 13 14
2 5 8 10 14 15
3 5 7 8 9 15
2 3 9 10 11 12
1 3 7 9 11 12
4 5 6 7 8 14
1 4 6 10 11 13


So 7 lines will give you twice the 3 price
and 10 lines 3 times.

 

[Beaker]

To Beaker:

You're right! I gues my "gun" is the dozen or so quick pics I grab every week. Interesting ideas all around.

But back to one of my original questions, with all these different methods out their and being practiced, has anyone here actualy won anything substantial?

Thanks!

Read this thread - your answer is there.

Pay particular attention to the picks from Dennis Bassboss - he is a hunter and a damn good one
There were many other winners in that thread also - good day for all.

The winning numbers for that draw were 08-18-29-31-41-43 B34

Stay tuned - more on the way

 

[powerball]

Neither "strategy" will improve your odds in winning the lottery. Spending $60 for each 6/49 draw works out to $6,240 a year, or $12,480/year when the price doubles in May! If you really want to spend that much money instead of investing it, you should at least play more of the rare combinations and allocate more to big payout draws where the expected return is not so negative.

For example, you can just spend $1 on the majority of the draws when the jackpot is only $2 milllion . You can then use your regular $60 wheels when the jackpot rolls over. For the one or two draws with a 3-time jackpot rollover of $12 million, you can spend whatever you have left of your $12,480 lottery budget.

I'm wondering what the advantage of new numbers every time is
vs. keeping them the same.

 

[GillesD]

Same vs different numbers

A few years back, I ran a little experiment to evaluate if keeping the same numbers for all draws gave the same results as changing them every draw. I updated my database with the 2,113 winning combinations and ran my test again.

Basically, using randomly generated numbers, I select 6 numbers and test these against all winning combinations and count how many times I got 0 WN (winning numbers), 1 WN, 2 WN, 3 WN 4 WN and 5 (or more) WN. Then, I generate 2,113 different 6-number combinations and test each one against only one winning combinations and again count how many times I got 0 WN, 1 WN, etc. This was repeated 1,000 times to be significant.

The following table gives the results obtained. The order the data is listed is: first the number of WN obtained, the percentage over 2,113 draws with the same numbers for all draws, the percentage with different numbers in each draw and finally the theorical value that can be expected.

0 WN: 43.60% -- 43.63% -- 43.60%
1 WN: 41.34% -- 41.30% -- 41.30%
2 WN: 13.20% -- 13.20% -- 13.24%
3 WN: 01.77% -- 01.78% -- 01.77%
4 WN: 00.10% -- 00.09% -- 00.10%
5 WN: 00.00% -- 00.00% -- 00.00%

To me, this shows that there is no significant difference between using the same numbers or changing numbers all the time. And that on the long run, results will approach the theorical values expected.

 

[Sheba]

I play the same numbers and I also play a new set just about every week....Both have the same chances of coming up...

Sheba__ ~~~
Everybody's Got a Dream...JACKPOT!
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[Dennis Bassboss]

Below are some wheels with multiple
prices to be won if used.



LD(15,6,3,6,L=2)=7

1 5 8 10 11 13
1 2 3 4 5 10
3 7 8 9 13 15
1 2 3 4 11 13
6 7 9 12 14 15
6 8 10 11 12 14
2 4 5 7 9 15



LD(15,6,3,6,L=3)=10

1 7 9 12 13 15
2 4 11 12 13 14
1 5 6 8 13 15
2 4 6 10 13 14
2 5 8 10 14 15
3 5 7 8 9 15
2 3 9 10 11 12
1 3 7 9 11 12
4 5 6 7 8 14
1 4 6 10 11 13


So 7 lines will give you twice the 3 price
and 10 lines 3 times.

Thanks for these Nick....This will help for sure....Gonna play a few of these in Super 7 tonite! Thanks!