a silly question about tonights draw

[whaler]

I was wondering....... if the odds to win the 6-49 are 1 in 13.something million. Why wouldn't a well heeled group or individual simply buck up for all the possible combinations (times 2 bucks) and for a cost of say 26 or 27 million dollars, win tonight's 39 million?. If you have each possible combo how can you not lose?
Is it just the logistics of filling out that many tickets?
*The other nightmare is that you share it and lose out by not covering that initial cost??

cheers

 

[Iasounis]

I was wondering....... if the odds to win the 6-49 are 1 in 13.something million. Why wouldn't a well heeled group or individual simply buck up for all the possible combinations (times 2 bucks) and for a cost of say 26 or 27 million dollars, win tonight's 39 million?. If you have each possible combo how can you not lose?
Is it just the logistics of filling out that many tickets?
*The other nightmare is that you share it and lose out by not covering that initial cost??

cheers

The only way that that would work (i.e. make a profit) is for this 'group' to have enough capital to play and lose money for a couple of draws. If they spent approx 27.5 million and were to split that would be a loss of approx 8-9,000,000. Unless this group was already well off, that kind of a loss is just no feasible and more than just a nightmare. Imagine if you even found 99 friends to do this with; you would still be out $90,000 in one draw. However, if they could afford to lose on tonight's draw and have enough to pony up to try again, when the jackpot is considerable, over time they could surely make a profit.
'IF', someone(s) would undertake this 'challenge' they would be able to save some $$$ by leaving out certain lines, such as; 1-2-3-4-5-6; 2-4-6-8-10; 5-10-15-20-25-30, etc. I've already asked if someone would be willing to filter out these types of obvious patterns, but the usual response I get is that, "All lines show a pattern if one was to really look." To an extent I agree, but I'm asking for 'very obvious' patterns to be removed, as well as lines already drawn, 5+1 combinations, and so on. If anyone is interested in doing so, even if it's for my own use, I would appreciate.

 

[Randz]

I remember a company formed for that specific reason years ago.

I saw it on television.

I cannot recall the details - but I believe they were from Australia. I have not been able to track down the story since.

 

[Iasounis]

I remember a company formed for that specific reason years ago.

I saw it on television.

I cannot recall the details - but I believe they were from Australia. I have not been able to track down the story since.

For a forum dedicated to lottery players, I often find that peoples ideas are quicker to be shot down, rather than being considered. I know, and hopefully everyone agrees, there is no sure fire way to win. I just suggest ways in which we could increase our collective odds. Imagine how cool it would be for multiple members of this site to win??

 

[GillesD]

Buying all combinations

One aspect is also important to consider. I believe that in Canada, it is not possible to go to a lottery organization (like Loto-Quebecc, O.L.G, B.C.L.C. and others), present a check and ask for X combinations, you have to go through an individual retailer with a slip with your numbers and place a bet. If this is the case, you can imagine the number of slips, the group would have to prepare and the time it you take and the number of persons showing up at retailers to get all possible combinations validated.

All this to be sure of winning but the jackpot could be split in quite a few winners as the number of persons (and groups) increases significantly as the jackpot goes up.

 

[Iasounis]

One aspect is also important to consider. I believe that in Canada, it is not possible to go to a lottery organization (like Loto-Quebecc, O.L.G, B.C.L.C. and others), present a check and ask for X combinations, you have to go through an individual retailer with a slip with your numbers and place a bet. If this is the case, you can imagine the number of slips, the group would have to prepare and the time it you take and the number of persons showing up at retailers to get all possible combinations validated.

All this to be sure of winning but the jackpot could be split in quite a few winners as the number of persons (and groups) increases significantly as the jackpot goes up.

Firstly, you are correct in the situation of Ontario. You would have to fill out a number of slips. As time consuming as it is, it is a much less daunting task than coming up with the monies required. Not to mention, getting all of those slips played would also require a lot of effort. I'd guess at best you would be able to play about 12-15 slips per minute, for 900 per hour, and 156,000 per day (24 hours ). Seeing that at most you have Sunday to Wednesday to play (minus the hours when terminals are down) it is virtually impossible to play all of those slips without considerable help; you'd need an army of 15-20 people just to play the slips.

However, seeing that Wednesday's 39+ million went unclaimed, it actually would have been worth it. lol

As much as there is a certain amount of 'excitement' that comes with larger jackpots, that excitement also brings out many 'non-players' and really only increases the odds that the jackpot will be split. Of the ten largest Canadian 6/49 jackpots ever won, six have been split; two-ways (3 times); 3-ways (once); and 4-ways (twice). This only proves that although have every combination guarantees a win, once the jackpot is large enough to be 'worth the risk', you're likely to split.

 

[GillesD]

Buying all combinations

Yesterday's result is exactly the proof of what it has been said on this forum. Even if a group had bought all combinations for yesterday's draw with its huge payout, it would have resulted in an important loss.

With a down payment of $27,967,632, the group would have won a total of $12,574,733. I am sure that I can find a better way to lose about $15M. And this does not into account that this new group was not in the winning groups, so if it had bought all combinations, the jackpot would have been divided into 5 instead of 4, thus increasing the loss a little more.

 

[Iasounis]

Yesterday's result is exactly the proof of what it has been said on this forum. Even if a group had bought all combinations for yesterday's draw with its huge payout, it would have resulted in an important loss.

With a down payment of $27,967,632, the group would have won a total of $12,574,733. I am sure that I can find a better way to lose about $15M. And this does not into account that this new group was not in the winning groups, so if it had bought all combinations, the jackpot would have been divided into 5 instead of 4, thus increasing the loss a little more.

I agree, and again multiple (4) winners came out. Although any win is a good win, but splitting 50+ million four ways brings the ROI back to nil. It's basically what I said in my last post. Loose today, but have enough to try again tomorrow. This is exactly why we need to flush out 'obvious patterns' and past draws of 5 hit+ to sway the odds in our favor. I'm not trying to predict what will be drawn, just trying to avoid what has (and will likely not) been drawn.
I know that many here have put in considerable time in trying to crack the lottery, but the way that I approach things is to take the most complicated research, and bring it back to simple reasoning. What have I discovered?

- If the 6 numbers have come out, don't bet on them repeating. (Sure it can happen, but according to 'radom distribution', a repeat performance is not due in our lifetime.)

- Knowing the above, eliminate 5 hit, as well as 5+bonus hits.

- Eliminate visual patterns that can be marked on the slip. (However, the slips may vary per province but I would avoid patterns from Newfoundland to British Columbia)

- Although the experts here (on this site) and there (Gail Howard and others) may dismiss my 'method', I'm not trying to win this weeek, I'm just trying to win.

- I believe that if we can eliminate approximately half of the combos, www.lotto649.ws will have multiple winners sooner rather than later. (Later being 15 or more years!!!)

 

[Kenya649]

- If the 6 numbers have come out, don't bet on them repeating. (Sure it can happen, but according to 'radom distribution', a repeat performance is not due in our lifetime.)

- Knowing the above, eliminate 5 hit, as well as 5+bonus hits.

- Eliminate visual patterns that can be marked on the slip. (However, the slips may vary per province but I would avoid patterns from Newfoundland to British Columbia)

- Although the experts here (on this site) and there (Gail Howard and others) may dismiss my 'method', I'm not trying to win this weeek, I'm just trying to win.

- I believe that if we can eliminate approximately half of the combos, www.lotto649.ws will have multiple winners sooner rather than later. (Later being 15 or more years!!!)

I once eliminated most of obvious lines and left with about 1283492 lines. The headache is to get a reasonable number from those lines.

Whenever I compare those lines with our local game, there is always a couple of 5/6 and at times 6/6.

I stopped playing those lines the moment I saw wheeling Systems which I thought were better ( though I once match 5/6 from the said lines).

I'm thinking of starting the elimination again and if you do not mind we can take the journey together. I had started the same somewhere on this forum and got discouraged.

Iasounis,

If you want I could rewrite the code using Excel and I guide you.

Thanks

 

[hopefull]

all that is none sense.
since we already have our lowest and highest borders set for us,what we need to do is expose the remaining combos plus the elimination method, only then we'll arrive at our desired goal.

 

[Iasounis]

I once eliminated most of obvious lines and left with about 1283492 lines. The headache is to get a reasonable number from those lines.

Whenever I compare those lines with our local game, there is always a couple of 5/6 and at times 6/6.

I stopped playing those lines the moment I saw wheeling Systems which I thought were better ( though I once match 5/6 from the said lines).

I'm thinking of starting the elimination again and if you do not mind we can take the journey together. I had started the same somewhere on this forum and got discouraged.

Iasounis,

If you want I could rewrite the code using Excel and I guide you.

Thanks

I'm not really good with excel.....
What I would want in a file is a list of all combinations; lines that have been drawn (6/6, 5/6, 5+1/6); and the sums of all combinations. From there I would remove the lines that 'I' feel have an 'obvious' pattern. Although I would surely welcome and help, and would be willing to contribute, I am not Excel-savvy enough to create the program myself.

 

[GillesD]

Getting data

I'm not really good with excel ...

If you have Excel installed on your computer, you can easily get all the data for Lotto 6/49 by:
- going to the site www.bclc.com
- choose the 6/49 option, then the previous winners option
- select the Self-Extracting.Exe and this will put a file named 649.csv in the folder where you want it
- opening this file will start Excel and load the file
- the file contains all draws up to now with the draw number, the date the 6 winning numbers and the bonus number.

You can now remove lines or manipulate date as much as you want. If you need specific help, ask for it and somebody here will certainly respond. Even if this does not help you win at lotto, you will certainly increase your knowledge of Excel (and having fun doing it).

Enjoy yourself